This setup is very similar to what you are used to, 2 plates with holes 8" on center. However, they are 3/8" thick and made from A50 Plate for strength! Thats the old part, the new on these versus the others we make is that some of you wanted a more Laid Back style. These low enough to clear gas tanks that hang low in the rear and the lower mounting point dosen't ride below the axle! Why eliminate clearance you have fought for? These will also work fine with the complete system and are also made from 3/8" plate. If you want them as part of the complete axle end system they are an option.